tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post7066696962578225749..comments2023-10-18T02:03:42.145-07:00Comments on LEARNING TO LIVE FREE: Laestadius' Sermon No. 97Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-48144893587310848912015-09-04T15:37:34.156-07:002015-09-04T15:37:34.156-07:00Respectfully...what about where Jesus said "I...Respectfully...what about where Jesus said "I am the shepherd .. anyone who climbeth up some other way sheep and robber" .... And also no many goeth to the father cept thru him Jesus..yet how many churches exalt long lenghty "lawd we bless thee magnify blaw blaw blaw" not once simply saying in Jesus nameAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03738363221516917993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-55279733951064098972010-05-19T11:25:41.902-07:002010-05-19T11:25:41.902-07:00Why oh why do we still have to listen to Laestadiu...Why oh why do we still have to listen to Laestadius! I still go to the OALC and I just have such an issue with this. Sure, I know his sermons were powerful for that time, and effected many awakenings. And ok, maybe there is still some bit of pertinence to our lives today. But why read one every single sunday before the sermon? Why not just say, `here are some books that may be strengthening` and let people keep them in their home libraries? Why read and re-read them for decades ad-nauseum? And I do mean `nauseum`.. most are graphic and often (imo) downright inappropriate for reading in front of a mixed age/sex audience. There are many sexually-loaded statements (i.e. `sucking their own breasts`, etc) that only serve to put lascivious images in the minds of the listeners, at a time when there should be piety, grace and hopefulness (sitting in God`s house.) I spoke of this with only a few others (OALC too) and they agreed. You cannot tell me that that particular statement I quoted does not bring up an inappropriate, lustful image in the mind of any post-pubescent male present! So it offends me. In fact I clearly recall actually blushing as a young girl sitting under some of the sermons. And I`m not even a male, how much worse must it be for them! Also, LLL steeped his sermons in obscure, multi-layered metaphor and simile.. I would guess with some confidence that the majority do not `get` them. You need to be quite savvy and attentive to follow along, and if you miss the initial metaphor, good luck trying to follow the winding thread. Too, the readers that are pressed into service often read in a low, sing-song monotone, which lulls the listener and causes sleepiness (literally, I mean) =) So the earlier poster should not feel so guilty for falling asleep! =)<br /><br />Also, another thing that is a bee in my bonnet is when the preacher says (of the LLL sermon) "we have already heard the best sermon of the day." This is their way of saying LLL was a much better or more gifted clergy than they are. And ok, that may or may not be? BUT- I`d always heard & believed as the others do, that nothing of the preacher`s sermons are `their own`... meaning they do not prepare a sermon... but all comes from God- that they go up there and God opens their mouth and speaks through them.. He uses them to speak through to us. So...??? What are they saying by that, then?? That LLL is better than God himself?? It just doesn`t fly. So... then it must be false humility. Or self-righteousness. I don`t know. I have no problem with the doctrine or the KJV we use: oh all of that is so pure and true. I know Jesus loves me, and died for my sins. I just fail to see really where LLL fits into this. I presume it`s just custom... and that bothers me, too. Just because it`s `always been done`. Arg. Thanks for listening! Apologies for the rant. ;)<br />Blessings!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-77561868134281281392005-04-18T02:43:00.000-07:002005-04-18T02:43:00.000-07:00This is great, mahtavaa!B.R. FinnjavelThis is great, mahtavaa!<br><br>B.R. FinnjavelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-65491021666092434322005-04-18T08:37:00.000-07:002005-04-18T08:37:00.000-07:00LLL like to threaten. The vengeful King in the par...LLL like to threaten. <br>The vengeful King in the parable must be balanced with the loving Host who invites all. The Kingdom of Heaven is here: are we dancing at the party in our new raiment, or are we "too busy" or afraid to change?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-3377574446181579182005-04-18T10:18:00.000-07:002005-04-18T10:18:00.000-07:00I'm glad I'm not the only one who could ne...I'm glad I'm not the only one who could never follow along with these sermons. I would try very hard but my eyes kept glazing over.I honestly thought It was just because I was stupid and lazy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-23556927492056902232005-04-19T18:01:00.000-07:002005-04-19T18:01:00.000-07:00Ok, I fell asleep reading it. No offense, I think ...Ok, I fell asleep reading it. No offense, I think I fell asleep while listening to it, too. Does anyone else remember being thumped in the back of the head with a song book for falling asleep during church? I think that is why we all had so much candy to eat during church, to keep us awake and quiet. I usually got my nails clipped by my father and my hair twirled by my sisters during long sermons. I also remember counting how many times a certain preacher said"uhhh" during the sermon. I usually begged to work in the kitchen on Sunday, just to dodge the long sit. Yes, arduous drudgery in a hot kitchen wins out over a mind-numbingly long spiel any Sunday. Hey the nursery was the best escape, hold the babies and then sneak a nap under the cribs.<br>Hope my opinions and childhood memories don't offend anyone. If anything, have a laugh on me.Dharmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-85119426585420219402005-04-19T18:33:00.000-07:002005-04-19T18:33:00.000-07:00Dharma, you're not alone. I wrote many a groc...Dharma, you're not alone. I wrote many a grocery list and "to do" lists during the reading of LLL's sermons. Seriously though, does anyone know the meaning of his sermon no. 97?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-8004747741466800592005-04-20T07:48:00.000-07:002005-04-20T07:48:00.000-07:00according to the bible verse, this is a parable Je...according to the bible verse, this is a parable Jesus tells to describe the kingdom of heaven. In Jesus' parable most who are called to the kingdom of heaven do not come, or are not "chosen to come." Jesus also describes one who refuses to put on the wedding garment and is condemned to hell. This is the subject of LLL sermon 97, why refuse the wedding garment? (God's free gift of saving grace)many reasons are given and excuses discredited. Just my humble opinion Very enlightening sermon.johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-39805839212573950852005-04-20T20:27:00.000-07:002005-04-20T20:27:00.000-07:00For those who don't know Finnjavel is a Swedi...For those who don't know Finnjavel is a Swedish word meaning "Finn-devil" which is a perjorative term for a Finn in Sweden.<br><br>http://www.karesuando.se/<br><br>An interesting Web site of the northernmost parish in Swedish Lapland where Laestadius at one time had a cabin and where his successor Johan Raatamaa lived. An interesting Web site for Amerikkalainen Laestadies to see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-74936406247967210172005-04-20T23:59:00.000-07:002005-04-20T23:59:00.000-07:00Also, LLL didn't really teach about a free gif...Also, LLL didn't really teach about a free gift of grace.<br>He talked mostly about thieves of grace (a concept you'd be hard-pressed to find in the Bible. You can't steal something that's free.)<br><br>If that's what he was trying to say, why not come right out and say it instead of trying to confuse everyone.<br>Confusion is not a by-product of the Holy Spirit, clarity and peace are. <br>That's my two cents.exoalchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12195180245552127271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-4653804269343332212005-04-21T00:05:00.000-07:002005-04-21T00:05:00.000-07:00That site is in Swedish... It looks interesting, b...That site is in Swedish... It looks interesting, but since I can't speak Swedish my hands are tied. Am I missing something?exoalchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12195180245552127271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-7060126279320504372005-04-21T05:38:00.000-07:002005-04-21T05:38:00.000-07:00Help me out here - "pure and soft breasts&quo...Help me out here - "pure and soft breasts", "pure and white breasts", "put off adultery from their breasts", "examine your breasts" - are these references to a person's heart being in the "right place", or a person's soul condition?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-87372473968482717872005-04-21T10:55:00.000-07:002005-04-21T10:55:00.000-07:00Unfortunately, I cannot speak Swedish either as I ...Unfortunately, I cannot speak Swedish either as I am also American. Just know some Swedish words.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-49002734177917291592005-04-26T17:32:00.000-07:002005-04-26T17:32:00.000-07:00"wretched rag-devils"? OK. When used in ..."wretched rag-devils"? OK. When used in combination with all the breast references, wretched rag-devil is very hard to take seriously. Try to say it fast ten times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-85898066672858912172007-03-05T14:05:00.000-08:002007-03-05T14:05:00.000-08:00wow... I'm glad I have never heard this sermon...wow... I'm glad I have never heard this sermon in church - I'm not sure I could keep a straight face. Maybe there would be less death due to breast cancer if we were all Laestadian? Brain-washed "take every thing literally" Laestadians (calm down, not all of you) must have a hard time with this sermon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com