tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post5641812896074166887..comments2023-10-18T02:03:42.145-07:00Comments on LEARNING TO LIVE FREE: Current OALC attitudes about Birth ControlUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-15767372594107363542013-09-09T23:25:41.984-07:002013-09-09T23:25:41.984-07:00Well then, God is apparently easily thwarted by a ...Well then, God is apparently easily thwarted by a thin sheen of rubber or a tiny pill.<br /><br />The bottom line is, there is no Biblical justification for not using birth control, unless you cherry-pick Genesis 1:28 or 9:7 (which, as we all know, is the Old Testament, which is no longer binding, right?). Jesus certainly said nothing about it, nor Paul nor anyone else in the New Testament.<br /><br />It is, and always has been, an edict created by Men to retain control both of women and the congregation.FreeThinkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-11593450848754955542013-09-09T21:19:22.268-07:002013-09-09T21:19:22.268-07:00Because you can't have one without the other (...Because you can't have one without the other (sex without kids). Well now you can, but god IS the giver and taker of lifeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-91870971213210199482013-09-09T18:18:58.653-07:002013-09-09T18:18:58.653-07:00Of course abstinence is an option. But if you love...Of course abstinence is an option. But if you love each other and still have sexual attraction, why on earth would you choose it?FreeThinkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-81608601571282579822013-09-09T16:46:14.583-07:002013-09-09T16:46:14.583-07:00and abstinence isn't an option because....? ar...and abstinence isn't an option because....? are we all just so wrapped up in ourselves that we now see sex as a RIGHT instead of gift to a husband and wife? <br /><br />WhooooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-79070727635082492952013-09-09T16:41:59.723-07:002013-09-09T16:41:59.723-07:00Wait, they have to ask permission from preachers? ...Wait, they have to ask permission from preachers? why are the preachers any better to decide on matters of life? god is the giver and taker of life alone. and any nonsense about preachers hearing god's voice on these matters is baloney. If one is hearing voices they need a psychiatrist STAT. <br />Happy days!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-71322191532720463252013-09-09T15:54:35.728-07:002013-09-09T15:54:35.728-07:00I would like to add that I believe its good for so...I would like to add that I believe its good for some reasons and can be used in the wrong way, depending on the situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-7677383720872013792013-09-09T15:44:37.341-07:002013-09-09T15:44:37.341-07:00Thank you for sharing your experiences, sound like...Thank you for sharing your experiences, sound like you had quite the struggle! I would like to say, however, that because of emotional or physical stress or other issues there are many ladies who are advised to be on birth control. Also, we do not believe you will go to hell for using birth control. Why would they advise it for some if they believed it would send you to hell? My experience growing up with several siblings was very enjoyable. You always had someone to play with and be there for you. Whenever there was family get togethers everyone had an awesome time playing games and visiting together. People have different views on different matters that's for sure, but my view is unless you feel like you can't handle it why would you want to stop having children? God wants us to have children and teach them about him and love him. Those are just my thoughts!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-63745957086167880132013-09-09T15:31:19.831-07:002013-09-09T15:31:19.831-07:00That sounds like progress. I assume your speaking ...That sounds like progress. I assume your speaking as an OALC member?Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779418481668841114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-71406500661184370532013-09-09T15:26:13.803-07:002013-09-09T15:26:13.803-07:00Well sounds like you had quite the experience, tha...Well sounds like you had quite the experience, thanks for sharing! I do want to state, however, that I know many ladies on birth control because of emotional or physical stress and other issues. Therefore, we do not believe you will go to hell if you use it as it is actually advised for some. . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-82619855742401699442013-09-07T16:15:07.677-07:002013-09-07T16:15:07.677-07:00Thank you for sharing those thoughts. You are a b...Thank you for sharing those thoughts. You are a brave mouse indeed, and an absolutely worthy mother. Peace be with you always.cvowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07542845394936520037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-87422498148725784322013-09-07T10:03:47.269-07:002013-09-07T10:03:47.269-07:00miac,
Those are powerful words, and you're a t...miac,<br />Those are powerful words, and you're a terrific writer. Thank you for sharing your perspective.Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779418481668841114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-33084563459206509242013-09-06T22:40:21.293-07:002013-09-06T22:40:21.293-07:00I don't "regret" my children; I love...I don't "regret" my children; I love them too dearly for that! But. I do regret having so many so fast. Can I say both of those things and mean them both? I do. And for all you churchies who say that doesn't make sense, you are refusing to listen to my reality and are only looking at the contradiction. You can feel two opposite emotions about the same thing at the same time. <br /><br />The reason I regret having children so fast and furious is that I never had a chance to recover between babies. I regret having them so soon before either one of us had a chance to get established in a career or even mature enough to know what the heck we were getting ourselves into. I regret having to feel like I was some breeding cow, having to have children with no real choice in the matter, surviving the unrelenting nausea for several months, bracing myself for delivery, working too soon after the baby because we needed the money, never catching up on feeling good, praying every month that I wasn't pregnant again...it never seemed to end. And for all you churchies tut-tutting your tongue, speaking out of the side of your mouth saying, "Oh, you had a choice. You could have stopped anytime you wanted to. No one held a gun to your head." <br /><br />No, but the damnable Damocles' sword of eternal hellfire and wailing and gnashing of teeth was ever resting on the headboard of the bed, waiting to spear you through should you ever think to use some kind of birth control to slow down the rushing tide of children. What kind of a "choice" is that for an earnest parent who buys into that whole boatload of messy misguided bullsh*t doctrine? Choice, my eye.<br /><br />And I regret not being able to give my children the things they needed. They needed better medical and dental care than we were able to provide. They needed their own space in the ever-shrinking real estate that we had. More than the 30 square feet of the bed they slept on. Some didn't even have that. They slept on the floor on a sleeping bag because there was no money to buy another bed, and no place to put it if we had. <br /><br />I don't know if they ever got the things they wanted, or got to do the things they wanted to do. Even simple things that smaller families take for granted. Boy scouts. School sports. Concerts. Dancing. Harmless things. Even going on vacation, taking a family road trip, or buying new shoes and not just shoes that were new to them from the Goodwill store. We were taught to not ask for things and to be happy with the things we had. That's great practice for someone training to be a minimalist, but for a mother with a heart that wanted to buy cute shoes and dresses for her girls and in-style clothes for the boys that didn't make them look like refugees from the Lost and Found box at school, it was not fun. Let me say that again. I did not have fun. Does that make me a weak whiner to say that? A complainer? If I don't put on my tough face and say, "Oh, it was fine. Lots of people have it worse. We all turned out fine."...if I don't hold that perspective, does it make me not worthy of being a mother?<br /><br />Yes, they survived, and so did I. We have great love for each other, and the bigger picture, the long-term outcome is good. But why is it perceived as such a negative thing to want nice things for your kids, even if you can't afford them? Maybe because it helps reinforce the religious norms in the Laestadian church(es) that teach you not to use birth control? Well, I call BS. It is only one way to raise kids, but it's definitely not the best way to raise kids, and I regret not realizing it sooner.<br /><br />mouse in a cornerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-76685154671676900462013-09-06T18:58:16.060-07:002013-09-06T18:58:16.060-07:00That isn't entirely true, Anonymous (please gi...That isn't entirely true, Anonymous (please give yourself a nickname). Many women in the OALC have health complications (for example, multiple c-sections, mental health issues, history of premature babies, history of preclampsia) and they are NOT advised to stop by the preachers. <br /><br />Why do you apply the idea that "God won't let it happen if you can't handle it" only to childbirth and not to building a house in a flood zone or jumping off cliffs or walking in the middle of the freeway? Why is common sense necessary in some places but not others? <br /><br />I don't know any mother who regrets her children, either. None. We are hard-wired (most of us) to adore our children and make sacrifices for them. But I know many parents who wish they could have a redo on HOW they raised their kids. More patience, more calm, more structure, more adventures. It is no accident that those are easier to achieve with fewer children. And many children regret not having more attention growing up.<br /><br />As for life being bleak without "all the kids," let me assure you, it isn't for me, and I'm so glad I gave myself the CHOICE to have only as many as I wanted. My kids seem pretty happy about it, too.Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779418481668841114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-51288335025703844522013-09-06T17:08:26.506-07:002013-09-06T17:08:26.506-07:00Out of every single lady I know with tons of kids,...Out of every single lady I know with tons of kids, I do not know one that regrets it. . I absolutely love all the kids and life would be soo bleak without them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-26829236157955924522013-09-06T17:04:33.499-07:002013-09-06T17:04:33.499-07:00If there is health complications they're advis...If there is health complications they're advised to stop having children. I don't understand your point, sorry. But I do believe that everything happens for a reason and god wouldn't allow it to happen if he knew you couldn't handle it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-2290646405808727992013-09-04T20:27:25.508-07:002013-09-04T20:27:25.508-07:00How about you tell that comment to a family I know...How about you tell that comment to a family I know of that suffered a terrible loss a few weeks ago. I hope and pray your eyes will open to reality. Someone I know had a friend die a few weeks ago from complications from childbirth. The mom had a 6 day old baby. She died after developing an infection from childbirth. It was her first child, and she tried several years to conceive. So, god gave that family as much as he thought they could handle? Is that what you think? That is a sick and twisted mindset with no compassion. Lets say the story was slightly different and she almost died. Still, would it be worth risking another birth? Would you be willing to take that chance? Their is something called common sense. Use it. <br /><br />Here is a link to the obituary. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/startribune/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=166664403<br /><br />-EXFALCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-54413440851431048352013-09-03T19:09:50.419-07:002013-09-03T19:09:50.419-07:00Preachers just advise what they think is best, don...Preachers just advise what they think is best, don't demand. God will give how much he knows u can handleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-61099556277135444882012-09-28T10:45:00.661-07:002012-09-28T10:45:00.661-07:00Having been raised in a family from the OALC I kno...Having been raised in a family from the OALC I know for a fact that a woman can NOT take birth control. They think of it as "killing god's unborn children." I know MANY women from OALC that have almost died having their 13th or 14th child!!! I'm wondering if they have any guts left?? They have to have a life or death reason to get permission from a preacher to get birth control. And no sex before marriage? wow that's a good one!! Almost ALL the young adults and teens are having sex. Then they get pregnant and they have to get married. And wonders never cease they have a 7lb "premature" baby. If you have to marry because your pregnant after meeting the person 3 weeks before, how can that be "true love" and "your soul mate???" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-74968393215703500502012-07-14T23:06:13.537-07:002012-07-14T23:06:13.537-07:00I wanna have birth control so I not getting pregna...I wanna have birth control so I not getting pregnant every flicking year!!!! God help me! Do I really have to ask a preachers permission? That's pure BS!!!!!!!! BS it is!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-72175917399630699852011-08-12T15:47:27.682-07:002011-08-12T15:47:27.682-07:00Ron Paul for president 2012!!! Latest results are ...Ron Paul for president 2012!!! Latest results are awesome!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-35271855107468684742011-07-22T11:51:09.431-07:002011-07-22T11:51:09.431-07:00LLLreader replies to anonymous--please say more. Y...LLLreader replies to anonymous--please say more. You can open your heart here and be understood, whatever your feelings. You are a child of God and he will not forsake you in the midst of trouble. He gave you a mind and a spirt to be used. You do not need to give your strength and love away to other peole to judge. Your value is between yourself and God--not to the understanding of others who have their own journey. The laws of the church have been counstructed by mere men. They want to place themselves between you and God, and that is sinful thinking. I will pray for you. Lighten your heart Dear Friend-and realize God understands you, even if others don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-40158414343460890672011-07-22T07:06:58.908-07:002011-07-22T07:06:58.908-07:00Dearest true and living christians, I am so downhe...Dearest true and living christians, I am so downhearted and depressed. Can you forgive me for having passion in life?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-56509299793053121632011-06-23T16:10:09.929-07:002011-06-23T16:10:09.929-07:00The OALC does not condone birth control of any kin...The OALC does not condone birth control of any kind. You have to get the Preachers permission to use it and then have a doctors excuse to justify it!<br />If you have a small family (2 or 3)you will be talked about for being wordly and using birth control in private! <br />The official doctrine on sex outside marriage is a definite "no", however sex among teens is widespread. Many teens become pregnant and are urged to marry. I remember a 17 year old boy who was in this situation. You must be 18 to marry in Delaware, so he and his pregnant girlfriend were married in nearby Maryland instead of in church. <br />In the OALC, the Preachers have the final say in everything you do!oalc-doubternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-53391796531269683482011-06-22T15:08:14.658-07:002011-06-22T15:08:14.658-07:00Oh piss...Oh piss...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-83984247977474352972011-05-24T08:11:13.928-07:002011-05-24T08:11:13.928-07:00Freedom of religion!! There's no greater feeli...Freedom of religion!! There's no greater feeling then being free to believe whwt you want. Respect all... follow none.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com