tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post3424722407157094288..comments2023-10-18T02:03:42.145-07:00Comments on LEARNING TO LIVE FREE: With the Lapps in the High MountainsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-84663641836519374822015-08-31T22:05:52.426-07:002015-08-31T22:05:52.426-07:00A thought that came to me was regarding the person...A thought that came to me was regarding the personal experiences Lestaudius had after the untimely passing of his child in the 1830s. To me it was like he had fled to sea and a storm came and he was cast in the deep water like Jonah only to be swallowed by a whale and after he was spit out he began to seek what he might do. It almost appears by many bible stories that when the Holy Spirit is determined to use someone's voice he ends up doing it no matter who or what resists. Peace of God to all of youAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03738363221516917993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-45367120735017551832013-06-13T17:59:27.298-07:002013-06-13T17:59:27.298-07:00LLLreader...I will bet you that he was also one of...LLLreader...I will bet you that he was also one of those guys who was with his church buddies down at Carrows on Saturday night talking about goosing one of the waitresses. Old APAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-69445553267722461442013-06-13T09:58:12.134-07:002013-06-13T09:58:12.134-07:00Hahahahaha laughing at my desk at work! Y'all ...Hahahahaha laughing at my desk at work! Y'all are a riot.<br /> <br />-PebblesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-61740272964611782772013-06-12T15:43:45.857-07:002013-06-12T15:43:45.857-07:00LLLreader remembers: The very best confession tha...LLLreader remembers: The very best confession that was offered to me was, "Forgive me for being offended when I saw you wearing lipstick in town." Hard to know where to go with that one. I do remember his smirk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-51073534569393358882013-06-12T15:33:10.777-07:002013-06-12T15:33:10.777-07:00We love your research and comments too EOP. Keep ...We love your research and comments too EOP. Keep them coming. Old APAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-41611837049082862212013-06-11T21:54:55.352-07:002013-06-11T21:54:55.352-07:00CVOW and Old AP, you two guys are great. Who cares...CVOW and Old AP, you two guys are great. Who cares about our little disagreements; I am always delighted to read your comments here.Ed Suominenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14699682370502146769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-1575347742451315172013-06-11T21:53:20.360-07:002013-06-11T21:53:20.360-07:00When I visited an OALC service for the first time ...When I visited an OALC service for the first time a few years back, I was surprised at how loudly the guy sitting on the pew in front of me was confessing to his wife. You couldn’t help but overhear. (Is that by design?)<br /><br />Apparently, in the past week, he had been impatient, short tempered, and not a loving husband, among other things.<br /><br />An amusing aside: My mother was raised a Catholic, and hated going to the confessional. She tells this story about finding herself with a chatty priest who struck up a long conversation about something she’d said. She was worried about what people would think of her, given how much time she was spending in that little booth! Other times she couldn’t think of anything to confess, and had to get creative.Ed Suominenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14699682370502146769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-57290286098199392962013-06-10T18:36:41.587-07:002013-06-10T18:36:41.587-07:00CVOW, I had to chuckle when I read your descriptio... CVOW, I had to chuckle when I read your description of what is basically the general Laestadian confession of the, "need forgiveness for being such a poor Christian, so many lusts and desires, so much wrong thinking, so cold hearted, mumble, mumble, mumble (to cover anything else)".<br /> As I got a little older I realized that the confessions were all pretty much about the same old stuff which made me wonder that if everyone was essentially guilty of the same old crap then there was not much point in a select few having to flog themselves while they enumerated their sinful minutiae. Years later I discovered that the so-called 'dead faith Lutheran churches of the world' had pretty much the same sort of public confession of sin as part of their liturgy in their hymnals. Their confessions seemed more encompassing and they actually seemed quite a bit better and no one had to wail and castigate themselves (or 'mumble, mumble, mumble (to cover everything else)' during their time of confession. The congregation just seemed to accept the pastor's pronouncement of absolution and they went about their service. <br /> Maybe Laestadian's need to adopt a general oral confession that includes a 'Mia Maxima Culpa' to ensure that every sin is covered. Old APAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-5784708526907628592013-06-10T18:09:29.067-07:002013-06-10T18:09:29.067-07:00No, CVOW, you're not too cynical. I remember ...No, CVOW, you're not too cynical. I remember thinking that on more than one occasion. And the loudest ones were often the most gossipy and critical of everyone. I'm not sure what that says.....SISUAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-48089841365044858202013-06-10T16:17:51.278-07:002013-06-10T16:17:51.278-07:00I thought everyone had figured out how to homogeni...I thought everyone had figured out how to homogenize those confessions into a very generic "need forgiveness for being such a poor Christian, so many lusts and desires, so much wrong thinking, so cold hearted, mumble, mumble, mumble (to cover anything else)".<br /><br />It used to amaze me how some people could turn on a faucet of tears and wail loudly. I always wondered how much was just for show -- "see, I am not only a less worthy, more sinful person than you are (because that seemed to be a sort of contest), I can also proclaim it most loudly".<br /><br />Perhaps I am in too cynical a mood today.cvowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07542845394936520037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-31002216124968682152013-06-10T15:13:46.361-07:002013-06-10T15:13:46.361-07:00SISU, the weeping & wailing is due to the fear...SISU, the weeping & wailing is due to the fear of taking communion in an 'unworthy manner' (aka having unconfessed sins on your conscience) and thereby crucifying Jesus for a second time and then also being guilty of a willful sin. If some one avoids taking communion they become a point of gossip since it is automatically assumed that they must have some unconfessed sin bothering their conscience. So it is easier to 'fess up on communion Sunday to avoid having to 'fess up later on for having taken communion in an unworthy manner. Worse yet, if some one does not take communion they will certainly be 'reminded' of this fact and everyone will want to know what the reason (unconfessed sin) was for abstaining. So it is better to get the whole emotionally burdensome experience done with on communion Sunday. Old APAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-7692237033396105472013-06-10T15:09:15.052-07:002013-06-10T15:09:15.052-07:00If you can get your hands on a copy of "Conn...If you can get your hands on a copy of <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=c7uES3fb0zQC&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=liikutuksia&source=bl&ots=F493SF5pb4&sig=4IoyRr6T2FVU5yaCiDbWDB9K8Ng&hl=en&sa=X&ei=J0u2UbCvOYHtiQLiqYHQAg&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=liikutuksia&f=false" rel="nofollow"> "Connecting and Correcting, A Case Study of Sami Healers in Porsanger" by Barbara Helen Miller, </a> it discusses liikutuksia and the spread of Laestadianism in Norway. I appreciate the author's skepticism toward the idea of Laestadian "ecstasy" being a remnant of Sami shamanism.<br /><br />SISU, when I was leaving the church I admitted to an OALC relative that sometimes I had "made up stuff" to confess and "faked my sorrow." She was shocked and told me I was lying. That was a surreal moment. Finally I was telling the truth and it was rejected!Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779418481668841114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-24452220477575871282013-06-10T14:02:23.829-07:002013-06-10T14:02:23.829-07:00Ooooh, Old AP, I like your explanation! I SO rem...Ooooh, Old AP, I like your explanation! I SO remember any spontaneous action or emotion being immediately squelched. I was reprimanded frequently for bursting into song, for instance.<br /><br />No wonder they needed that Sunday-sanctioned outlet! However, when I was growing up, years ago, I recall weeping and wailing taking place mainly on Communion Sunday since one could not go before God without a clear conscience. The other Sundays were rather quiet. So, one had to wait a Whole Month for release. No wonder they were such a crabby bunch for the most part.<br /><br />SISUAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-75803177408218410622013-06-10T11:31:00.214-07:002013-06-10T11:31:00.214-07:00I remember some of the more emotional liikutuksia ...I remember some of the more emotional liikutuksia sessions years ago when I was still young. At the time we did not know what it was all about but it seemed quite frightening to us. When I grew up and began to have questions about Laestadianism I began to lump the liikutuksia and the Laestadian practice of personal confession into the same lump. Both seemed to be cathartic types of emotional releases for stoic Finns who had been brought up in dulled down, emotionally repressed upbringings. In general, expressions of spontaneous joy were frowned upon as well as feelings of disappointment while growing up. However, the liikutuksia provided a sanctioned religious outlet for the release of joy and the confession of sins provided a sanctioned outlet for the expression of negative emotions and feelings. The reason the liikutuksia seemed to rise up spontaneously within the group was that everyone was cut out of the same emotional block of Finn wood. Just my thoughts... Old APAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com