tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post227608456925676935..comments2023-10-18T02:03:42.145-07:00Comments on LEARNING TO LIVE FREE: Who's Who in the OALCUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-21993100482465730112019-02-08T11:01:21.582-08:002019-02-08T11:01:21.582-08:00And this was learned at my church? My parents cert...And this was learned at my church? My parents certainly didn't teach me such oddities. Preachers r reluctant to post their names and do not trust entirely the web..anyone with good sense know everything on the web is not truth..its still a good resource and a lot easier than encyclopedias Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12499227046082727384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-27801836018362614982013-04-27T12:46:31.698-07:002013-04-27T12:46:31.698-07:00http://www.rauhanside.fi/
Here you find updated li...http://www.rauhanside.fi/<br />Here you find updated list of spring services in Finland, with names of the preachers.<br /><br />There are a couple of new young(?) preachers on tour... while Simolin and Oksanen passed away, and T. Laukkanen is old enough to stay in his hometown.<br /><br />I really like to read your blog, thanks a lot!<br />greetings from Finland<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-42874128820446219032013-04-21T13:02:22.257-07:002013-04-21T13:02:22.257-07:00Esko, I'm sorry I also couldn't find that ...Esko, I'm sorry I also couldn't find that song. It is a nice song and maybe someone on here who has God given talent would be kind enough to record it and post on YouTube for us! :-) <br />As for the picking of only certain places in the Bible I agree with the others. I have searched all of the available recorded sermons in the OALC, such as the fathers voice, Postillas etc. and have not found many places of the Bible. Such as the place where Jesus let's the adulterer go, any reference to the older brother's spiritual condition in the passage of the prodigal son and a lot more and I have also found that they repeat many of the same passages especially if the passages seem to speak of disobedience or a womans place. (The OALC church offers a little book that cross references Their recorded sermons with the Bible, although its not complete, it makes it easy to see what passages they skip and also speak on often)<br /><br />Survivor<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-57968211078064109652013-04-18T14:42:19.364-07:002013-04-18T14:42:19.364-07:00Yes, that's right, P-O Fjelldahl was actually ...Yes, that's right, P-O Fjelldahl was actually born in Norway. So this is not the first one. Well, it's kind of strange because Norway is not Lapland, so if they are called the Elders of the Swedish Lapland, and one of them is not from the Swedish Lapland, but from Norway, it kind of undermines the whole story of Swedish Lapland having the best understanding in everything if they are choosing their elders among those who didn't grow up there.<br /><br />It was actually some Finns who said they thought Håkan was the last elder...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-67365949954614307202013-04-18T12:44:09.748-07:002013-04-18T12:44:09.748-07:00Sisu, I am so encouraged by your sister's stor...Sisu, I am so encouraged by your sister's story and hope you share it with the ex-OALC Facebook group.<br />Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779418481668841114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-72397972227119510362013-04-18T12:26:28.363-07:002013-04-18T12:26:28.363-07:00We are being too harsh regarding pastoral assistan...We are being too harsh regarding pastoral assistance for mental health issues. My sister, who is in therapy, has received a lot of help and counseling from her local OALC minister. He has worked with the therapist, including attending a couple of sessions. His advice to my sister was remarkable and comforting. To say I was amazed is an understatement! I was so pleased to see he, at least, is in the 21st century.<br /><br />Many Blessings to all the new voices on this blog. It is so nice to see that this site connects with you, too. Those of us who have been around for a few decades wish a rapid transition for you, though we each progress at our own speed and in our own time.<br /><br />Take care and God Bless,<br />SISUAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-81706455971597019962013-04-18T09:23:55.404-07:002013-04-18T09:23:55.404-07:00Excellent analogy, Old AP. I suspect many OALCers ...Excellent analogy, Old AP. I suspect many OALCers know that believing only in the science that pertains to one's specific medical problem is hardly rational, but the social cost of intellectual integrity is (in popular lingo) too damn high.<br /><br />Esko, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Do the preachers there get any training from the State Church? Of any kind, in spiritual or other matters? I am wondering if the education of preachers is different in Europe than it is here in the USA.<br /><br />As for O Fallen Star, I think this is song written by an American OALCer. I can't find it online. I remember singing it a lot as a teenager and while the tune is lovely, it is kind of silly to imagine a star with feet. (Unless we're talking about Elvis with the blue suede shoes?)<br /><br />O Fallen star in that far off land<br />Retrace your footsteps to the homeland shore<br />For Jesus loves you, he cares for you<br />O Fallen star come, and shine once more.Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779418481668841114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-8635515364145366872013-04-18T08:57:40.012-07:002013-04-18T08:57:40.012-07:00Hi
I have never seen that they use selected bible...Hi<br /><br />I have never seen that they use selected bible verses at OALC. The elders and other preachers here in finland and scandinavia preach from all different places and NEVER read just one verse, they always read all the chapter in sermons so thats big BS....Offcourse some have a place they like more but thats the not wrong, they still preach from all over the book... Just ask the elders about that and see what they tell u and try to speak them down by some verse u pick. I think their bible knowledge is much higher than many others and not just some selected verses....thats more common in other churches I´ve been to.<br />Please help me to find the hymn "Oh fallen star" on the net or some other hymn with the same tune???? Im just a dumb finn so;)<br /><br />EskoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-14122759614978606522013-04-18T08:48:38.655-07:002013-04-18T08:48:38.655-07:00I think there is some elders borned in Norway befo...I think there is some elders borned in Norway before the new one. P-O Fjalldahl(Mieri Pietari)? And if this is the first one, who cares? Why should that matter? <br />The story of Hakan as the last elder, where have u heard that? Never heard that here in Scandinavia.<br />The hymn "Oh Fallen star"??? Please help me find that song on the net or some other with that tune....<br /><br />EskoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-75239240836071746732013-04-18T04:27:49.921-07:002013-04-18T04:27:49.921-07:00'Training in counseling or pastoral care' ...'Training in counseling or pastoral care' is virtually non-existent unless things have dramatically changed over the past years. I would say that the level of 'counseling' by Laestadian speakers is at a 'Bronze Age' level where selected Bible verses are used to maintain the congregational status quo and essentially keep people in their place. In contrast, life is complex and so are people's issues and thus flippantly using Bible verses does not cut it with regards to counselling. I notice how most Laestadians now will not hesitate to use the most modern of medical procedures instead of relying on herb poultices, bleedings and prayers which were the mainstay 150 years ago. In like manner there have been huge advances in the understanding of the human brain and its corresponding emotions over the past 150 years. This has opened up the medical field to pharmacological treatments of depression as well as having opened up a plethora of counselling fields to help people cope with life events. Biblical/faith based counselling can be an adjunct to professional help but it is not a substitute for professional type counselling. If my memory is correct, seeking professional help was greatly frowned upon if not even condemned within Laestadian circles as one was expected to rely on old 'Bronze Age' treatments to include sin poultices (contemplating one's errors), mental bleedings (confession) and prayers (asking forgiveness for one's wicked thoughts). Of course, none of these 'Bronze Age' approaches work and hence the problems continue to fester. Old APAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-789016561245726702013-04-17T17:11:59.493-07:002013-04-17T17:11:59.493-07:00FreeT, I'm not exOAL, but I married into it an...FreeT, I'm not exOAL, but I married into it and I see the destruction it causes. And it's not my place to condemn you or anyone; I'm not perfect just like everyone else. I wasn't raised in any faith actually. My "new understanding" has come by my own searching and finding, and yes through the Bible, not by any church or religion, because God's a pretty good teacher. I can understand why people leaving the Laestadianism religion would be bitter. Peace by Piece Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-3968581973413138372013-04-16T22:22:46.342-07:002013-04-16T22:22:46.342-07:00I think you can tell what kind of counseling/pasto...I think you can tell what kind of counseling/pastoral care training they receive by the advice they give. And also what kind of Biblical knowledge they possess. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-49322301651253333252013-04-16T13:13:22.142-07:002013-04-16T13:13:22.142-07:00Some thoughts:
When Håkan Gustavsson was made an ...Some thoughts:<br /><br />When Håkan Gustavsson was made an elder, I remember some people talking, as if it were a fact, that he's the last elder. Assuming the world would end in a few year's time. And now he's in the middle of the list with several new names coming after him. :)<br /><br />It is also interesting that one of the youngest elders was actually born in Norway. I don't know if that has ever happened before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-7732945837154430102013-04-16T08:28:12.332-07:002013-04-16T08:28:12.332-07:00Free, I'm kind of interested to see where you&...Free, I'm kind of interested to see where you're going with this. :)FreeThinkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-49039089690930132702013-04-16T06:23:32.404-07:002013-04-16T06:23:32.404-07:00Nothing that I've ever heard of. They receive ...Nothing that I've ever heard of. They receive their training from eachother.<br /><br />24Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-86693303835052210472013-04-15T21:14:06.983-07:002013-04-15T21:14:06.983-07:00Thanks for the updates on the preacher list. Now h...Thanks for the updates on the preacher list. Now here's another question. Do any of the men in that list have training in counseling or pastoral care?Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779418481668841114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-41372941135046792462013-04-15T11:37:53.342-07:002013-04-15T11:37:53.342-07:00Olavi Simolin passed away too.Olavi Simolin passed away too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-20196865966486406112013-04-15T11:30:44.218-07:002013-04-15T11:30:44.218-07:00Anon 4/15/2013 07:19:00...
Totally getting away fr...Anon 4/15/2013 07:19:00...<br />Totally getting away from what the posting was about, but I couldn't help it...<br />I would say that if YOU were a rational thinker, then YOU would conclude that there is no "rational" way that any account of these "prophesies" could be accurate, therefore they could not be "fulfilled." That is, again, if you were a rational thinker. If you knew a bit more about rational thinking and prophesies, you would probably be alarmed at what Nostradamus prophesied, and how it aligned with your Bible. Anonymous, since you didn't identify yourself, I'm curious as to what your current position is, and why you would choose to go into attack mode.<br />FreeThinker is dead on, almost every other "holy" book makes that type of a claim. <br />If you were not quite so focused on the prophesies and whether or not they'd reach reality at the specified time, you might actually enjoy some of your spiritual journey and walk.<br />Why is it so important to us label ourselves, anyway? <br />-PebblesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-66462020681324158102013-04-15T11:30:36.200-07:002013-04-15T11:30:36.200-07:00Here are the elders. Levi Larsson passed away some...Here are the elders. Levi Larsson passed away some years ago. Lars Larsson, Gunnar Persäter, Odd Minde, Ulf Bolsöy, Bror Erkstam, Håkan Gustavsson, Göran Larsson, Hans-Olof Wettainen, Sven-Åke Blombacke, Egil Ekhorn and Fredrik Lantto. Hope I spelled them right. Not Swedish or Lappish;) I know the elders are real nice and lovely and if u have some "strange" questions they dont run away from u... <br /><br />Another question for u out of topic. The hymn "Oh fallen star" can I find it in another text with the same tune or some hymn or song with the same melody(tune)? I like that tune... Impossible to find it on the net....<br /><br />Esko KAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-44268828597700469652013-04-15T10:35:13.860-07:002013-04-15T10:35:13.860-07:00Sorry pal. While parts of the Bible are worthwhile...Sorry pal. While parts of the Bible are worthwhile, it is FILLED with inaccuracies, contradictions and outright falsehoods. Literally hundreds, if not thousands. I won't bother getting into them all here, as for me the topic is tedious, but read Ed's book at ExaminationOfThePearl.org for a start, if you dare.<br /><br />And yes, almost EVERY other holy book makes an Exclusive Truth claim.FreeThinkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-37251620430299332602013-04-15T07:19:49.720-07:002013-04-15T07:19:49.720-07:00I am not old AP, but if you are a "rational t...I am not old AP, but if you are a "rational thinker", you could only conclude that the Bible is the only holy book that is proven true. God used many of his prophets to forcast 100's of prophecies that have been fulfilled. NO other so called holy book can claim that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-6473765941573179902013-04-14T22:30:01.264-07:002013-04-14T22:30:01.264-07:00Truth be told, Old AP, I probably don't qualif...Truth be told, Old AP, I probably don't qualify as an Atheist under the standard definition. It's hard to label myself at the moment, part of that is I'm still searching. Spiritual Freethinking Agnostic Deist is probably close. But I <i>have</i> rationally concluded that the God of the Bible is nothing more than myth, and most equate that with Atheism, so I use it for brevity's sake.FreeThinkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-72153921004097171542013-04-14T16:27:21.496-07:002013-04-14T16:27:21.496-07:00FreeThinker, I do not find fault in you being an a...FreeThinker, I do not find fault in you being an atheist as I too had severe reservations about any religion after leaving Laestadianism. I sort of figured it all might be a bunch of baloney....sort of like an escape for people who could not or did not know how to cope with life and living with each country essentially 'inventing' a religion that suited their own class of people. In my case I believe that bit by bit God led me to a much higher truth than what I had ever heard of in Laestadianism. In reference to your other comment, IMO apostates from Laestadianism have a strong tendency to want to move to another dogmatic religion as Laestadianism, as we know it, is very dogmatic. It is sort of like the person who keeps moving from one abusive relationship to another. It is not comfortable but it is familiar. Old APAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-59994548605260118932013-04-14T08:54:08.617-07:002013-04-14T08:54:08.617-07:00North America: Paul Heidegger passed away. Steve H...North America: Paul Heidegger passed away. Steve Halme, Tony Wiliamsom, Ronald Jouppe, William Homola, Lorin Lehtola are also all missionaries ("local leaders" and traveling preachers)<br /><br />Elders: Levi passed awayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8088717.post-3943119905083318402013-04-14T00:01:30.892-07:002013-04-14T00:01:30.892-07:00Let me see if I can take a stab, Old AP. It can be...Let me see if I can take a stab, Old AP. It can be summed up with, "my view of Christ/God/The Bible is correct. Yours is not, and so you're damned to hell."<br /><br />As I've noted earlier, it's always amusing to me how many ex-Laestadians rail against their church of origin for their rigid beliefs, etc., then come on here to preach their "new" understanding using much of the same dogmatic language. I'm an atheist, Peace by Piece ... care to condemn me too?FreeThinkernoreply@blogger.com